it will help us take pressure off our currency, help us stabilize interest rates it will help us show the markets that our tax rates aren't going to rise to unbelievable levels because we are getting our fiscal house in order. so if we locked in a plan to actually get our debt under control, that will actually help our economy right now because it will improve competence in the future of our economy. >> okay but are you prepared to spend money for stimulus in order to do something about unemployment. >> so i don't subscribe to the typical keynesian doctrine that you need to borrow and spend money to create jobsment we borrowed and spend 1.1 trillion when you add interest costs on the stimulus and we lost 2.6 million jobs since that legislation passed. i do think there are better things that the government could do to promote prosperity and create jobs. we ought to be growing at a very fast pace coming out of the kind-of-recession we are coming out of if we are coming out of it. i mean 81, the 72 recession. we were growing at about 68% at this time. i would argue that the reason we are